Comments on: A Glaring Flaw In The Logbook Rules And My (Great?) Solution http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution Trucking Industry Research & Discussion Mon, 05 Sep 2011 12:21:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.2 By: Charlie J. Ray http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-308 Charlie J. Ray Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:46:54 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-308 Basically, trucking companies do not care how you do your log book as long as it "looks" legal. At the orientation at KLLM Transport the safety guy gave us a strong hint. "We do loose leaf logbooks for a reason." What that reason was he didn't say. But we all know the reason. Rewrite your logbook as you go along to match your gps within 2 hours, etc. That is why there are still accidents with drivers too tired to be on the road. The new system is not safer. It's just more strictly enforced. The drivers with the most miles are those who are best at manipulating their logs and their driving time with their wait times, etc. Companies know it is impossible to make good money and drive completely legal. That's a given. If you actually want to drive completely legal, you're in for a hard time. Charlie Basically, trucking companies do not care how you do your log book as long as it "looks" legal. At the orientation at KLLM Transport the safety guy gave us a strong hint. "We do loose leaf logbooks for a reason." What that reason was he didn't say. But we all know the reason. Rewrite your logbook as you go along to match your gps within 2 hours, etc.

That is why there are still accidents with drivers too tired to be on the road. The new system is not safer. It's just more strictly enforced. The drivers with the most miles are those who are best at manipulating their logs and their driving time with their wait times, etc. Companies know it is impossible to make good money and drive completely legal. That's a given.

If you actually want to drive completely legal, you're in for a hard time.

Charlie

]]> By: Charlie J. Ray http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-307 Charlie J. Ray Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:41:16 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-307 Exactly right! And the new rules are less safe because of that. I trained at KLLM with a "professional" driver. He knew I did not sleep that day and still insisted that I should drive even when after 9 or 10 hours in I'm literally falling asleep at the wheel. KLLM also discouraged split sleeper berth for team drivers, which is stupid. If you need a two hour nap you need one! I agree with you that the new rules are less safe with the 14 hour rule! That needs to GO! Exactly right! And the new rules are less safe because of that. I trained at KLLM with a "professional" driver. He knew I did not sleep that day and still insisted that I should drive even when after 9 or 10 hours in I'm literally falling asleep at the wheel.

KLLM also discouraged split sleeper berth for team drivers, which is stupid. If you need a two hour nap you need one! I agree with you that the new rules are less safe with the 14 hour rule! That needs to GO!

]]> By: Richard http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-190 Richard Thu, 24 Jun 2010 05:40:43 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-190 I don't believe that there should be a cap. If you cap us out then your limited on the amount of money you're able to make. I believe that if the hours stay the same. If something should be done In my opinion should never of allowed the use of qualcom or any gps tracking devise. I try to stay as legal as I most possibly can but running a reefer sometimes just isn't feasible especialy when you have produce that has a very short shelf life. And the government wants to put a lot of these loads on the rail as well as other loads, so the railroad can join in the vast majority of revenue, or should I say most? I don't believe that there should be a cap. If you cap us out then your limited on the amount of money you're able to make. I believe that if the hours stay the same. If something should be done In my opinion should never of allowed the use of qualcom or any gps tracking devise. I try to stay as legal as I most possibly can but running a reefer sometimes just isn't feasible especialy when you have produce that has a very short shelf life. And the government wants to put a lot of these loads on the rail as well as other loads, so the railroad can join in the vast majority of revenue, or should I say most?

]]> By: Richard http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-189 Richard Thu, 24 Jun 2010 05:33:03 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-189 Dale, I don't want to offend you but where did you come from? You may have everything paid off or don't have a family or something to make a comment like that. what you propose wouldn't pay my mortgage payment. not only that how would freight get delivered?? the economy would fall into a greater depression than that of the 1920's you might want to reitterate your method of thinking there driver!!!!! Dale, I don't want to offend you but where did you come from? You may have everything paid off or don't have a family or something to make a comment like that. what you propose wouldn't pay my mortgage payment. not only that how would freight get delivered?? the economy would fall into a greater depression than that of the 1920's you might want to reitterate your method of thinking there driver!!!!!

]]> By: Richard http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-188 Richard Thu, 24 Jun 2010 05:29:10 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-188 I don't believe that we should go back to the 10-8 rules, I do agree however that the 14 hr clock needs to be put in file 13. I have made more money on the new hours of service than I have on the old hours. You just have to know how to opperate your day. EXTENDING is the key word here. A lot of drivers today don't know that if you take an 8 hour break, it extends your 14 hrs. so you can split without having issues. A lot of companies don't allow drivers to split because they have issues in understanding how to do just that. Also companies aren't explaining that a drivers 14 hour clock resets after 10 hours even if it falls in the same day. I have used that many a time and was infact legal in driving well over 800 miles in 1 day. It just chews your 70 up real fast. Companies don't like the fact of driving that amount of miles in a day. But it is legal... I don't believe that we should go back to the 10-8 rules, I do agree however that the 14 hr clock needs to be put in file 13. I have made more money on the new hours of service than I have on the old hours. You just have to know how to opperate your day. EXTENDING is the key word here. A lot of drivers today don't know that if you take an 8 hour break, it extends your 14 hrs. so you can split without having issues. A lot of companies don't allow drivers to split because they have issues in understanding how to do just that. Also companies aren't explaining that a drivers 14 hour clock resets after 10 hours even if it falls in the same day. I have used that many a time and was infact legal in driving well over 800 miles in 1 day. It just chews your 70 up real fast. Companies don't like the fact of driving that amount of miles in a day. But it is legal…

]]> By: Rob Laycock http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-186 Rob Laycock Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:31:43 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-186 Ok, I understand about the 14 hour rule. Why did the 15 hour rule get nixed. We should go back to 13 hours driving, with a break ( nap) when we need one. Min two hours. Keep the 70 hrs in seven days with the 36 hr reset. It takes that long to have a visit anyway. No one says you have to drive that much , but it sure comes in handy when you are driving the desert or open prairie trying to go from a to b. It sure would be nice to see the speed limit get set at seventy five miles per hour. Sure slow it down in the populated areas, even 55, but once your out of the city, lets roll. Ok, I understand about the 14 hour rule. Why did the 15 hour rule get nixed. We should go back to 13 hours driving, with a break ( nap) when we need one. Min two hours. Keep the 70 hrs in seven days with the 36 hr reset. It takes that long to have a visit anyway. No one says you have to drive that much , but it sure comes in handy when you are driving the desert or open prairie trying to go from a to b. It sure would be nice to see the speed limit get set at seventy five miles per hour. Sure slow it down in the populated areas, even 55, but once your out of the city, lets roll.

]]> By: gulfwrvt http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-178 gulfwrvt Fri, 07 May 2010 18:48:39 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-178 I agree some what with the idea of a cap but not a number so low, I feel if there were a cap it should be 770 miles a day. Thats 77mph at ten hours or 70 mph for 11 hrs, that should be plenty for every day, and the weekly cap??? NOPE!!! If you can drive 770 miles a day then GOOD for you, I agree some what with the idea of a cap but not a number so low, I feel if there were a cap it should be 770 miles a day. Thats 77mph at ten hours or 70 mph for 11 hrs, that should be plenty for every day, and the weekly cap??? NOPE!!! If you can drive 770 miles a day then GOOD for you,

]]> By: Jon http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-143 Jon Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:33:48 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-143 Why would you want to put a cap/limit on how much a driver can drive? The whole point of us doing what we do is to drive as much as we legally/physically can. While I agree that I am not a fan of the new HOS rules, I think that they are there for not only our safety, but the safety of the other motorists we share the roads with. The reason most of the "cowboy" truk drivers don't like the new rules is that they can't bend the rules to play the system how they want. I am all for having electronic logbooks and qualcomm gps tracking. If you have nothing to hide and are staying legal, you should have nothing to worry about. Why would you want to put a cap/limit on how much a driver can drive? The whole point of us doing what we do is to drive as much as we legally/physically can. While I agree that I am not a fan of the new HOS rules, I think that they are there for not only our safety, but the safety of the other motorists we share the roads with. The reason most of the "cowboy" truk drivers don't like the new rules is that they can't bend the rules to play the system how they want. I am all for having electronic logbooks and qualcomm gps tracking. If you have nothing to hide and are staying legal, you should have nothing to worry about.

]]> By: Ramrod http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-117 Ramrod Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:58:51 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-117 As a team driver we never run out of hours to run legal but the only good sleep we get is when the truck is stopped for awhile for whatever reason. When time off comes after being out 2 or 3 weeks Im too tired to enjoy it most times. As a team driver we never run out of hours to run legal but the only good sleep we get is when the truck is stopped for awhile for whatever reason. When time off comes after being out 2 or 3 weeks Im too tired to enjoy it most times.

]]> By: Dale Parkes http://www.bigrigdriving.com/2010/trucking-industry-debates/a-glaring-flaw-in-the-logbook-rules-and-my-great-solution/comment-page-1#comment-104 Dale Parkes Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:23:28 +0000 http://www.bigrigdriving.com/?p=764#comment-104 I think a good backstop to the current HOS would be a cap on the miles a driver is allowed to run daily. Such as a maximum of 400 miles per day up to a maximum of 2000 miles per week. I think a good backstop to the current HOS would be a cap on the miles a driver is allowed to run daily. Such as a maximum of 400 miles per day up to a maximum of 2000 miles per week.

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